Background Guidelines standardise high-quality evidence-based management strategies for clinicians. Uterine fibroids are a highly prevalent condition and may exert significant morbidity. Objectives The purpose of this study was to appraise national and international uterine fibroid guidelines using the validated AGREE-II instrument. Selection Strategy An electronic database search of PubMed and EMBASE from inception to October 2020 for all published English-language uterine fibroid clinical practice guidelines was undertaken. Data Collection and Analysis 939 abstracts were screened for eligibility by two reviewers independently. Three reviewers used the AGREE-II instrument to assess guideline quality in six domains (scope and purpose, stakeholder involvement, rigour of development, clarity of presentation, applicability, and editorial independence). Recommendations were mapped to allow a narrative synthesis regarding areas of consensus and disagreement. Main Results Eight national (AAGL, SOGC 2014, ACOG, ACR, SOGC 2019, CNGOF, ASRM, and SOGC 2015) and one international guideline (RANZOG) were appraised. The highest scoring guideline was RANZOG 2001(score 56.5%). None of the guidelines met the a priori criteria for being high-quality overall (score >= 66%). There were 166 recommendations across guidelines. There were several areas of disagreement and uncertainty. Conclusions There is a need for high-quality fibroid guidelines given heterogeneity across individuals and a large range of treatment modalities available. There are also areas of controversy in the management of fibroids (e.g. Ulipristal acetate, power morcellation) which also should be addressed in any guidelines. Future guidelines should be methodologically robust to allow high-quality decision-making regarding fibroid treatments.

Objective To compare the safety and efficacy of Veregen® ointment against placebo in the treatment of usual type vulvar intraepithelial neoplasia (uVIN). Design A Phase II randomised control trial. Setting A tertiary gynaecological oncology referral center. Population All women diagnosed with primary and recurrence uVIN. Methods Eligible patients were randomised to receive either Veregen® or placebo ointment (applied 3 times daily for 16 weeks), and were followed up at 2, 4, 8, 16, 32 and 52 weeks. Main outcome measures Outcome measures, recorded at 16 and 32 weeks, were histological (HR) and clinical (CR) response (as measured by ≥30% reduction in the sum of the longest diameter of all lesions when compared to baseline), toxicity and changes in quality of life and pain scores. Results 26 patients were randomised and all 13 patients who received Veregen® showed either complete (n=5) or partial (n=8) CR with a trend towards an improvement in baseline symptoms. In placebo group, 3 patients had complete CR, 2 had partial CR and 6 had stable disease. Patients in the Veregen® group showed a significant improvement in CR as compared to the placebo group (P=0.0026). There was no evidence of difference in HR and toxicity reported in both groups. Conclusion Our study indicates that Veregen application is safe and leads to at least a partial clinical resolution of uVIN lesions and symptoms improvement, thus warranting a phase III multi-centre RCT.

Dear Editor,We read with great interest, the article titled “Evaluation of treatments for Bartholin’s cyst or abscess: A systematic review” by authors BJG Illingworth K Stocking M Showell E Kirk JMN Duffy Published in BJOG volume 127, issue 6, May 2020. The article was particularly relevant owing to the fact that Bartholin’s Abscess is a common gynaecological presentation which we encounter regularly in clinical practice.Whilst this article provided some insight into the various techniques for managing Bartholin’s Abscess around the world[1] , there were a few points that we would like to raise. It was not unexpected that the meta-analysis finally concluded that no single technique was superior to the others. This may very well have been due to the different criteria used by these studies to assess the effectiveness of the procedure. Since the failure or success of any technique is largely based on the effect on the quality of life and perception of the outcome by the patient, it may have been more prudent to compare different surgical interventions in terms of patient acceptance, overall satisfaction and long term outcome. Also this analysis compiled data from countries where health services are provided by the private and /or the government sector where the financial incentives for performing procedures vary widely [1] . The article does not elaborate on the proportion of patients who had received pharmacological treatment for varying durations prior to these surgical interventions, which undoubtedly may have influenced the outcome[1]. The analysis also does not include any study where marsupialization was performed under local anaesthetic which may be equally if not more effective than the word catheter at equal cost. In the light of current pandemic situation that the whole world is facing, expertise into minimally more invasive gynaecological procedures to be performed in office setting would also be a key point of consideration. We look forward to the authors comments on these factors.Piyushi Sharma,1 Thangamma Katimada-Annaiah,1 Montasser Mahran,1 Dilip Patil,1 Elvyna Lim,1 Joseph Nattey,1 Tarley Davies1Bedford Hospital NHS TrustReferences1. Illingworth BJG, Stocking K, Showell M, Kirk E, Duffy JMN. Evaluation of treatments for Batholin’s Cyst or abscess: A systematic Review. BJOG 2020;127:671-678

Background A core outcome set could address inconsistent outcome reporting and improve evidence for stillbirth care research, which has been identified as an important research priority. Objectives To identify outcomes and outcome measurement instruments reported by studies evaluating interventions after the diagnosis of a stillbirth. Search strategy Amed, BNI, CINAHL, ClinicalTrials.gov, Cochrane Central Register of Controlled Trials, Cochrane Database of Systematic Reviews, Embase, MEDLINE, PsycINFO, and WHO ICTRP from 1998 to August 2021. Selection criteria Randomised and non-randomised comparative or non-comparative studies reporting a stillbirth care intervention. Data collection and analysis Interventions, outcomes reported, definitions and outcome measurement tools were extracted. Main results 40 randomised and 200 non-randomised studies were included. 58 different interventions were reported, labour and birth care (52 studies), hospital bereavement care (28 studies), clinical investigations (116 studies), care in a multiple pregnancy (2 studies), psychosocial support (28 studies) and care in a subsequent pregnancy (14 studies). 391 unique outcomes were reported and organised into 14 outcome domains: labour and birth; postpartum; delivery of care; investigations; multiple pregnancy; mental health; emotional functioning; grief and bereavement; social functioning; relationship; whole person; subsequent pregnancy; subsequent children and siblings and economic. 242 outcome measurement instruments were used, with 0-22 tools per outcome. Conclusions Heterogeneity in outcome reporting, outcome definition and measurement tools in care after stillbirth exists. Considerable research gaps on specific intervention types in stillbirth care were identified. A core outcome set is needed to standardise outcome collection and reporting for stillbirth care research.

Objective: to describe the impact of COVID-19 on the management of patients with ectopic pregnancy. Design: a multicentre study comparing outcomes from a prospective cohort during the pandemic [Covid-ectopic pregnancy registry (CEPR)] compared to an historical pre-pandemic cohort [non-Covid ectopic pregnancy registry (NCEPR)]. Setting: five London university hospitals. Population and Methods: consecutive patients diagnosed clinically and/or radiologically with ectopic pregnancy (March/2020-Aug/2020) were entered into the CEPR and an exploratory matched analysis was performed comparing results to NCEPR patients (January/2019-June/2019). Main outcome measures: patient demographics, management (expectant, medical and surgical), length of treatment, number of hospital visits (non-surgical management), length of stay (surgical management) and 30-day complications. Results: 341 patients met inclusion: 162 CEPR and 179 NCEPR. A significantly higher percentage of women underwent non-surgical management versus surgical management in the CEPR versus NCEPR (58.6% [95/162] vs 72.6% [130/179]; p= 0.0084]. Amongst patients managed with expectant management the CEPR had a significantly lower mean number of hospital visits compared to NCEPR [3.6 [SD 1.4] vs 13.7 [SD 13.4], p= 0.0053]. Amongst patients managed with medical management, the CEPR had a significantly lower mean number of hospital visits [NCEPR 6.4 [SD 2.3] vs 8.8 [SD 3.9], p= 0.0014]. There was no observed difference in complication rates between cohorts. Conclusion: women were found to undergo significantly higher rates of non-surgical management during COVID-19 first wave vs NCEPR cohort. Women managed non-surgically in CPER cohort were also managed with fewer hospital attendances. This did not lead to an increase in observed complications rates.

BJOG-20-0640.R1 The evolving definition of pre-eclampsia

Objective: To assess the incidence of serious complications and reoperations for recurrence after pelvic organ prolapse (POP) surgery and compare the three most common types of repair. Design: Prospective cohort study using a registry. Setting: 19 surgical centres in France. Population: 2309 women participated between 2017 and 2019. Methods: a multivariate analysis including an inverse probability of treatment weighting approach was used to obtain three comparable groups. Main outcome measures: Serious complications and subsequent reoperations for POP recurrence Results: Mean follow-up was 16.6 months. Surgeries included in the analysis were native tissue vaginal repair (N=504), transvaginal mesh placement (692), and laparoscopic sacropexy with mesh (1113). Serious complications occurred among 52 women (2.3%), and reoperation for recurrence was required for 32 (1.4%). At one year, the cumulative weighted incidence of serious complications was 1.8% for native tissue vaginal repair (95% confidence interval 0-3.9), 3.9% for transvaginal mesh (2.0-5.9), and 2.2% for sacropexy (1.1-2.6). Compared with the native tissue vaginal repair group, the risk of serious complications was higher in the transvaginal mesh group (weighted-HR 3.84, 2.43-6.08), and the sacropexy group (2.48, 1.45-4.23), while the risk of reoperation for prolapse recurrence was reduced in both groups (transvaginal mesh [0.22, 0.13-0.39] and sacropexy [0.29, 0.18-0.47]). Conclusions: Laparoscopic sacropexy with mesh appears to have a better risk profile (few serious complications and few reoperations for recurrence) than transvaginal mesh placement (more serious complications) and native tissue vaginal repair (more reoperations for recurrence). These results are useful for informing women and for shared decision making.

We describe a novel surgical technique of 31 patients with histopathologically–confirmed placenta accreta spectrum (PAS) disorders managed by a multidisciplinary team using prophylactic infrarenal abdominal aortic cross-clamping technique during cesarean hysterectomy. We conclude that this new surgical procedure is a safe and effective technique to reduce operative blood loss. Hopefully, our pioneer work will stimulate others to develop protocols assessing this innovative technique to improve surgical outcome of PAS disorders.

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Objective: To estimate the association between maternal origin and obstetric anal sphincter injury (OASI), and assess if associations differed by length of residence. Design: Population-based cohort study. Setting: The Medical Birth Registry of Norway. Population: Primiparous women with vaginal livebirth of a singleton cephalic fetus between 2008 and 2017 (n=188 658). Methods: Multivariable logistic regression models estimated aORs for OASI with 95% CI by maternal region of origin and birthplace. We stratified models on length of residence and paternal birthplace. Main outcome measures: OASI. Results: Overall 6 373 cases of OASI were identified (3.4% of total cohort). Women from South Asia were most likely to experience OASI (6.2%; aOR 2.24, 95% CI 1.93–2.60), followed by those from Southeast/East Asian/Pacific (5.7%; 1.83, 1.64–2.04), and Sub-Saharan Africa (5.2%; 1.97, 1.72–2.26), compared to women originating from Norway. Among women born in the same region, those with short length of residence in Norway (0–4 years), showed higher odds of OASI. Migrant women across most regions of origin had reduced risk of OASI if they had a Norwegian compared to foreign-born partner. Conclusions: Primiparous women from Asian regions and Sub-Saharan Africa had up to two-fold risk of OASI, compared to women originating from Norway. Migrants with short residence and those with a foreign-born partner had higher risk of OASI, implying that some of the risk differential is due to sociocultural factors. Some migrants, especially new arrivals, may benefit from special attention during labour to reduce morbidity and achieve equitable outcomes.

Objective To describe the characteristics and outcomes of women with inherited bleeding disorder during pregnancy and birth. Design Retrospective cohort study. Setting Tertiary care hospitals, NSW and Victoria Australia. Population 100 women with inherited bleeding disorders, who birthed 134 live infants from 132 pregnancies. Methods Data was retrospectively obtained from the patient and neonatal medical records. Descriptive analysis was used to report maternal and pregnancy characteristics, birth and neonatal outcomes. Main outcome measures Factor replacement, neuraxial analgesia use and complications, post-partum haemorrhage and neonatal complications. Results PPH occurred in 22% of deliveries with primary PPH occurring in 20% and secondary PPH in 4% of births. 48% of PPHs were classified as major. PPHs occurred across the spectrum of IBD and was evenly distributed between women who had “normalised” their factor levels in pregnancy compared to those requiring factor at the time of birth. An obstetric cause was identified in more than half of PPHs. Conclusions Women with inherited bleeding disorders can deliver safely and receive neuraxial analgesia without complication when best practices are adhered to. PPH appears to occur at higher rates than the general population despite adequate factor levels or planned replacement. Whilst an obstetric cause was demonstrable in the many cases, these findings raise concern over the current definition of “adequate” factor levels at the time of birth.

Dear Editor,Thank you for the opportunity to respond to Dr Sahu’s letter1. We would like to thank Dr Sahu and his team for their valuable points and ourselves recognise and acknowledge the gaps in our early commentary2 which reflected on the early practice at our hospital, with an aim to help fellow obstetricians with the management of COVID-19 at the start of the outbreak. Since then, more literature has been published providing us with greater knowledge regarding this new infection. Guidance from the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG)3 and International Society of Ultrasound in Obstetrics and Gynaecology (ISUOG)4 amongst others help us streamline management of COVID-19 in pregnant patients.Both guidelines concur that radiographic investigations should be performed in pregnant patients – protecting the fetus by using a radiation shield over the gravid uterus. Chest CT has high sensitivity up to 97% for diagnosis of COVID-19 and may be considered as primary tool for COVID-19 detection.Both guidelines recommend the use of antenatal corticosteroids (ANC) for the usual indications but cautions use in critically ill women with COVID-19 infection as it may worsen their clinical condition. Importantly, urgent deliveries should not be delayed for the administration of ANC.Li et al5 compared clinical characteristics, maternal and neonatal outcomes of pregnant women with and without COVID-19. They found that COVID-19 infection generally causes mild respiratory symptoms in pregnant women, with no deaths or severe respiratory complications requiring critical care. They observed a higher rate of preterm deliveries in confirmed cases (33.3%) compared to control groups (¬5%). This study included two patients who had vaginal deliveries prior to COVID-19 diagnosis. Their newborns did not show any respiratory symptoms.New reports of SARS-COV-2 IgM in infants6 at birth suggest possibility of vertical transmission although COVID-19 infection in newborns is more commonly likely due to neonatal transmission.During breastfeeding, the main risk for infants lies in their close contact with mothers and transmission of infective respiratory droplets. Infected mothers wishing to breastfeed should do so with precautions such as wearing surgical masks, practising good hand hygiene and thorough cleaning of equipment after use. While the decision for separation of mother and baby has serious consequences on bonding and mental health, we continue to advise separation of baby from mothers infected with COVID-19 due to risk of neonatal transmission.Current data suggests that the adverse effects of COVID-19 in pregnancy are less severe than those of SARS-CoV and MERS-CoV. All presently reported patients were diagnosed in the third trimester and the potential effects of COVID-19 infections in the first and second trimesters remain to be investigated.As Dr Sahu mentioned, comparative studies are scarce. Establishment of international registries will improve our understanding of COVID-19 in pregnancy. Meanwhile, we shall continue to support one another and work together in the fight against this pandemic.We would like to thank the all departments from the Division of Obstetrics and Gynaecology, Infectious Diseases Department and all staff in KK Womens’ and Children’s Hospital for leading the COVID-19 fight locally.Monica Shi Qi Chua1, Jill Cheng Sim Lee2, Suzanna Sulaiman1, Hak Koon Tan31Department of Obstetrics and Gynaecology,2Department of Urogynaecology,3Division of Obstetrics and GynaecologyKK Women’s and Children’s Hospital, Singapore

Intrapartum stillbirths and early neonatal deaths remain stubbornly high in low income countries. Fetal monitoring in labour can reduce these poor outcomes, but limited progress is being achieved in these settings. Intermittent auscultation and continuous electronic fetal monitoring (CEFM) can both be employed to monitor a fetus during labour. There are challenges and limitations with both modalities. We used AI augmented fetal monitoring in a hospital in Malawi and demonstrated substantial reductions in both intrapartum stillbirths and early neonatal deaths with a small increase in the cesarean delivery rate. AI-CEFM should be studied further to achieve better perinatal outcomes.

Original Manuscript ID: BJOG-21-1723.R1 Descriptive: The Impact of Respectful and Compassionate Bereavement Care Following Stillbirth Running Title: Respectful Bereavement Care After Stillbirth Author information: Mehali Patel, Senior Research Officer, Saving Babies’ Lives Team, Sands Contact Details: 07709602633 [email protected] Sands Office, CAN Mezzanine, 49-51 East Road, London, N1 6AH

Just weeks following the fifth anniversary of the landmark Montgomery v Lanarkshire Health Board Supreme Court judgment, the Royal College of Obstetricians and Gynaecologists (RCOG) has delivered the fourth edition of its Green-top guideline on forceps and vacuum assisted births1. The irony of this is not lost on those who expected real change following last year’s peer review consultation (19 physicians and 6 maternity care organisations responded, including the first two signatories of this letter). The guideline opens with a fundamental question: Can assisted vaginal birth be avoided? The answers RCOG provides are solely in the context of labour (evidence on continuous support, epidural analgesia, positions adopted, delayed pushing), but a legal interpretation of Montgomery advises birth is “a situation that allows for significant advance planning and accordingly plans must be made.”2 The guideline concurs: women “should be informed about assisted vaginal birth in the antenatal period, especially during their first pregnancy [and] in advance of labour”. Nevertheless, while “lower rates in midwifery-led care settings” is included, ‘lower rates with planned caesarean’ is not, and there is no direct equivalent Green-top for this birth mode. The Montgomery judgment on consent specifically states that doctors are “under a duty to take reasonable care to ensure that the patient is aware of any material risks involved in any recommended treatment, and of any reasonable alternative or variant treatments.” It also emphasises that in any pregnancy, the “principal choice is between vaginal delivery and caesarean section.” RCOG may argue that referencing the “alternative choice of a caesarean section late in the second stage of labour” sufficiently addresses these points. However, a Queen’s Counsel who was involved in the Montgomery case reminds doctors that the mother “was not advised that an alternative to vaginal birth (i.e. caesarean section) was an option available to her… and there was an increased risk… should vaginal birth be attempted.”2 He warns, “Where the patient asks a question, it must be answered honestly and fully”, which suggests that planned caesarean birth omission from this Green-top could have serious legal consequences, and there is every chance the Montgomery case could reoccur.Despite aiming “to provide evidence-based recommendations”, RCOG does not include pelvic organ prolapse as an adverse outcome. Instead, it says women who “achieve an assisted vaginal birth rather than have a caesarean birth… are far more likely to have an uncomplicated vaginal birth in subsequent pregnancies”, and that “much of the pelvic floor morbidity reported… may not be causally related to the procedure.” Furthermore, the stated aim of RCOG’s clinical Green-tops is to identify “good practice and desired outcomes”, which will be “used globally.”4 This is relevant because many countries define this as low caesarean birth rates. In the UK, the National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE) does not advocate targets, and recommends support for prophylactic caesarean birth requests.3 Yet decades of promoting vaginal birth rather than informed choice has obstructed autonomy and contributed substantially to rising litigation costs.5The truth is, the NHS simply cannot afford to keep repeating the same communication and consent mistakes, and in our view, this NICE accredited Green-top guideline clearly demonstrates that lessons from Montgomery have still not been learned.Pauline M Hull, Founder, Caesarean BirthKim Thomas, CEO, Birth Trauma OrganisationDr. Elizabeth Skinner, Faculty of Medicine, University of SydneyAmy Dawes, Co-founder and CEO, Australasian Birth Trauma AssociationPenny Christensen, Executive Director, Birth Trauma Canada

Objective: To determine SARS-CoV-2 seroprevalence in a UK pregnancy cohort and assess associations with demographic factors and vaccination timing. Design: Observational cohort study. Setting: UK inner-city maternity centre. Sample: 960 pregnant women attending nuchal scans from July 2020-January 2022. Methods: Blood samples were tested for IgG antibodies against SARS-CoV-2 nucleocapsid (N) and spike (S) proteins. Self-reported demographics, vaccination status and previous Covid-19 infection were extracted from health records. Multivariable regression models determined factors associated with seroprevalence and antibody titers. Main outcome measures: IgG N- and S-protein antibody titers. Results: 196/960 (20.4%) women were SARS-CoV-2 seropositive from previous infection. Of these, 70 (35.7%) self-reported previous infection. Amongst unvaccinated women, black women were most likely to be SARS-CoV-2 seropositive (aRR 1.88 [95% CI, 1.35-2.61], P < 0.001). Women from black and mixed ethnic backgrounds were least likely to have a history of vaccination with seropositivity to S-protein (aRR 0.58 [95% CI, 0.40-0.84], P = 0.004 and aRR 0.56 [95% CI, 0.34-0.92], P = 0.021 respectively). Double vaccinated, previously infected women had higher IgG S-protein antibody titers than unvaccinated, previously infected women (mean difference: 4.76, 95% CI = [2.65, 6.86], P < 0.001). Vaccination timing before vs during pregnancy did not significantly affect IgG S antibody titers (F(1, 77) = [0.07], P = 0.785). Conclusions: This inner-city pregnancy cohort demonstrates high rates of asymptomatic SARS-CoV-2 infection with women of black ethnicity having higher infection risk and lower vaccine uptake. SARS-CoV-2 antibody titers were highest among double vaccinated, previously infected women.

Objective To assess if delivery mode and duration of labour in a first labour of spontaneous onset is associated with gestational length, delivery mode 3and neonatal outcome in the subsequent pregnancy. Study Design Retrospective analysis of prospectively collected data. Setting 15 Maternity units in North West London (1988 to 2000). Population 30,840 women with spontaneous onset of labour in pregnancy 1 and a subsequent birth reported in the same database. Methods Assessment of outcomes by mode of delivery in pregnancy 1, restricting the analysis to the difference in the gestational length between pregnancy 1 and 2. Main Outcome Measures Gestational length, mode of delivery and neonatal unit admission in pregnancy 2. Results Caesarean section (CS) in the first or second stage of labour in pregnancy 1 was associated with pregnancy 2 being a median of 5 and 8 days shorter and a preterm birth rate of 6.0% and 10.1% respectively, whereas following a spontaneous or instrumental birth in pregnancy 1 the median duration was similar, with preterm delivery rates of 4.5% and 3.9%. 56.2% of women with a CS in pregnancy 1 had a repeat CS and 12.5% of their babies were admitted to neonatal unit, compared with 5.3% of women with vaginal birth. Longer labours were associated with shorter gestations in pregnancy 2. Conclusions Compared to vaginal birth, an emergency CS in the first term pregnancy is associated with a shorter gestational length, increased rate of repeat CS and increased risk of NNU admission in the next pregnancy.

The surgical management of prolapse has undergone a meandering path, with innovation, controversy and legislation all being encountered en route. Some of the dust is now settling with respect to the role of mesh implant surgery, and whilst it continues to have albeit a contracted role, there is very much a new direction set on native tissue and non-mesh repairs with the advent of techniques such as laparoscopic suture hysteropexy, cervicopexy and colporrhaphy.The authors of this paper present the largest series of women undergoing autologous fascia sacrocolpopexy for the treatment of moderate-severe prolapse. Learning from the past, two key questions that must always be answered when evaluating any new procedure are safety and efficacy. For both these measures, the authors show encouraging results comparable with current gold-standard, mesh augmented repairs.The use of autologous fascia has been well established to treat women with urinary incontinence -the pubovaginal / rectus fascial sling (Mcguire EJ et al . Pubovaginal sling procedure for stress incontinence. J Urol.  1978;119:82–4) – the use of which has resurged following the widespread suspension of synthetic sling procedures. Reports of autologous fascial support of the vaginal vault however are limited to a few short-term case series.This series involves 132 women, followed up for a median of 2.2 years; the authors present five-year data with comparable success rates to those reported in the landmark CARE study (Nygaard I, et al. Long-term outcomes following abdominal sacrocolpopexy for pelvic organ prolapse.JAMA . 2013 May 15;309(19):2016-24) without the complication of mesh erosion.The mixed bag of patient types and concomitant surgery in this study underscores the myriad of pathology and presenting symptoms to the pelvic floor surgeon; sadly, this reality hinders forensic evaluation of the single procedure. It is noted that around three-quarters of the women in the study were having primary prolapse surgery, with a similar proportion undergoing some form of hysterectomy coupled with autologous fascial vault support. Other sacrocolpopexy series have involved women the majority who have already had primary procedures, are without a uterus and represent an already failed and perhaps more difficult to successfully treat group (Maher C, et al. Surgery for women with apical vaginal prolapse. Cochrane Database Syst Rev. 2016 Oct 1;10(10):CD012376.) The addition of a hysterectomy, as well as the harvesting of autologous fascia inevitably means a lengthening of procedure time compared to those usually quoted for women undergoing laparoscopic vault suspension procedures of hysteropexy or sacrocolpopexy.The complexities of pelvic floor patients and their symptoms mean that additionally nearly 2/3 of the patients had Burch colposuspensions performed at the time of index surgery. The unpredictability of pelvic floor surgery on bladder symptoms is amply demonstrated by around 1/3 of women complaining of stress incontinence and a third suffering overactive bladder symptoms following the procedure. It’s clear that functional improvements do not always go hand in hand with anatomical correction for the pelvic floor patient.Many women remain alarmed by the adverse reports of mesh augmentation surgery in gynaecology (Izett-Kay ML, et al ’What research was carried out on this vaginal mesh?’ Health-related concerns in women following mesh-augmented prolapse surgery: a thematic analysis. BJOG . 2021 Jan;128(1):131-139). Contemporary best practice involves distilling out irrefutable principles such as recognising the importance of appropriate apical support which is usually optimally achieved abdominally, as well as an awareness of risks of surgery, careful counselling regarding mesh and being able to offer evidence-based alternatives. This paper provides valuable long-term data for a further promising meshless surgical technique.